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nicole

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adding more to diet
« on: March 28, 2010, 01:04:14 AM »

ok charlie is eating but i was wondering if i can or if i should add something to his diet i know your supposed to give itra with something fatty but should we add more to his diet than just dog food.
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Re: adding more to diet
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 12:28:37 PM »

Your vet is going to tell you that dog food is very important as it has all the vitamins and such that a dog needs.  Replacing that with unhealthy junky foods is bad for them, just like it's bad for us.  However, you probably should mind Charlie's weight.  I'm betting your vet as one of those walk on scales, probably in the reception area.  Make sure you get a weight at every vet appointment.  Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you can call if charlie is eating his regular amount, or if he's getting skinny.

Blasto has a tendency to make a dog lethargic and may put him off his food.  Itra too can make a dog prone to anorexia.  However, every case is different.  If Charlie is eating his normal chows well, then good for him, and lucky you.  If you see some pounds shedding off due to the combination of meds and illness, the it's just prudent tease in some extra calories with whatever can tempt an appetite.  It's just important not to replace all the good stuff with junk calories.

Lots of owners with blasto dogs are put in the tough position of their dogs not wanting to eat anything at all.  Then you hear all the tales of survival calories being tempted, by hook, crook and bullying.

In general, if Charlie is eating well.  Feed him a top brand, non discount, premium dog food that lists some meat source as it's primary ingredient. Avoid products that have dubious terms like "animal by product" on the label.  I try and treat my dogs like temperamental kids.  "Did you finish your supper? OK, then you can have a bisket".  But if my skinny dog doesn't finish his bowl, he's not getting treats to fill up on.  But I guess that's another story.

Otherwise, ask a dozen dog owners what the best dog food is, you'll get a 13 answers.  Just like there's not one perfect tire for every car and truck, there are plenty of choices for your particular application. 
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Re: adding more to diet
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 01:16:23 PM »

We give Ted his Intra with a pat of butter.
At first (a few months actually) he wouldn't eat anything! Unless we prepared something very interesting to get his juices going.  We tried to balance his diet the best we could but he basically ate meat and pototoes.
Since Ted has been relatively symptom free and we're no longer concerned about his weight we've pushed him back to dog food. He refused to eat what he was on before and we're now feeding "Blue Buffalo" which he seems to like and his coat, energy and general well being seems much better. He still needs some coaxing and in effort to get him to eat with his pills a little parmesean cheese sprinkled on top seems to get him going.
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Re: adding more to diet
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 04:03:12 PM »

Wilson had a high protein diet(which he has always had) I added supplements which you can see them on the case data under Wilson
my dogs eat a lot of raw food also which unless your dog is use to it I would nat change to raw now when very sick
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Re: adding more to diet
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2010, 06:29:41 AM »

We've been very lucky with Mika.  Even though her Mira Vista counts have been extraordinarily high (35.5 and 76), her appetite and energy level have not declined ever.  We give her the intra pill with a big blob of all natural peanut butter.  She, too, gets some raw food and after reading Eva's post re her dog, gets veggies as well.  Like Wilson, I wouldn't change the diet too drastically too fast during the illness but if Charlie stops eating, you will have to find ways to keep him eating.
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Re: adding more to diet
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 12:17:35 PM »

Nicole-
It's been a year since our dog Charlie (great name!) was diagnosed with blasto and I just happened to log on and notice your dog Charlie is just beginning diagnosis and treatment. By the way, you made a great choice in deciding to treat Charlie. I wanted to extend to you the link to a journal we kept for our Charlie that might give you some help. The site itself is kind of corny, but we found it was nice to keep a record of what we were doing for Charlie (vet visits, meds, side effects, symptoms, resources, etc.) so that our family could check in and we could share it with our vet so they could keep track of Charlie (and it was also kind of therapeutic for us). http://www.dogster.com/dogs/983671 There are several photos of Charlie pre-blasto, and one of when he was sick. It's pretty obvious which photo was taken during his illness.

As for Charlie's diet, we made sure to feed him dog food that was very high in protein and fat and grain-free, which is why we used Solid Gold's Barking at the Moon, but there are many other high-quality dog foods that are similar. The high fat and protein aids in the absorption of the itraconazole. Especially if you go with the compounded formula of itra. We didn't do compounded, because a U of M veterinarian told us that results with the compounded form are less dependable, so we went with the beaded form of itra. The beads are there to also help aid in digestion. (In short, we learned that itraconazole is not easily absorbed by the stomach, hence a high-fat diet when taking it.) We stayed away from any sugars or grains because fungi feeds on them. At the very start, though, Charlie wouldn't eat anything except brats or bacon (people food), but we were fine with this since it was something giving him nourishment. We began force-feeding him his Solid Gold dog food though by adding water and turning it into mush which we would need two of us to do. One of us would open Charlie's mouth while the other would take small handfuls of food and put it in the back of his throat, then closing his mouth and forcing it shut until he swallowed. It sounds horrible, and eventually Charlie got used to it, and it became a system, but it was the only way we could get him to stay nourished and strong. He went from 100 pounds to about 82 pounds when he was first diagnosed, so keeping as much energy in him as possible was our big concern at the start. We would wrap the itraconazole capsules in the last handful of wet food and give him lots of praise when it was all done. He always loved that part! :)

As for his diagnosis, we were lucky that we took him in to the vet when we did. They did a tracheal wash, a chest x-ray, and bloodwork. Mostly from the tracheal wash they diagnosed the blasto. We received the results two days later and immediately bought itraconazole at a Target pharmacy for a very pricey amount. We bought just enough to cover a two-week span and then looked online for a cheaper alternative. We originally bought the itra through Road Runner Pharmacy, but realized it was compounded when we got it. So we ended up buying through another pharmacy online called planetdrugsdirect.com. (To be very honest, we were very hesitant about buying through this site, but the customer service rep was very friendly and we had no problems with them. We figured the risk was worth the difference in savings.) We faxed in the vet's prescription and ordered the Sporanox (itraconazole) generic version. I believe it took a week or a little less to receive the pills, so just be sure you have enough on hand until they come in.

Sorry this is quite the novel. Feel free to read our Charlie's diary on Dogster for more help: http://www.dogster.com/dogs/983671/diary/my_diary

I hope that your Charlie gets through this and gets back to his regular self! Keep us updated :)
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