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Are we being selfish???
« on: September 24, 2008, 06:12:12 PM »

I don't mean to hurt anyone, but by losing my Jackson and grieving over his loss I found this article to somehow make me feel better with living with the decision I had to make on Saturday.
I just hope that you all realize that as hard as it is to even think about it, is the quality of your beloved pets life happy or will it ever be again.
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Jack sells antiques in upstate New York; he's a pretty upbeat guy, but when a vet diagnosed his 12-year-old black Lab, Schuyler, with cancer of the jaw and told Jack the prognosis was grim, he burst into tears, so upset he had to call his girlfriend to come drive him and the dog home.

He called me later that night. Punctuated by sobs and silences, our conversation lasted nearly an hour. "I really don't know what to do," Jack said. "My friends say I should go to Penn or Cornell for chemo. My girlfriend says I should try alternative medicine, maybe something homeopathic. I can't bear to think of it. When do you put a dog down? How do you decide? I can't bear to lose him, but I don't want him to suffer."

We spoke three or four times over the next couple of weeks, Jack agonizing over the many options he was hearing about. The vet had urged him to euthanize the dog before Schuyler's condition worsened, but Jack had clearly decided against that. He was apparently going to put the dog down "when he was ready," and thought he wasn't ready yet. One evening, he said he'd talked to a friend and dog lover who'd told him that Schuyler would tell him when it was time to go, that Jack should watch and listen to the dog for cues. He asked if I thought this was the right course.


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To be honest, I couldn't quite say what I was thinking. Each decision about the death of a dog is personal and different, dependent on context and circumstances. But if I had told him what I was thinking, it would have been this: Dogs are voiceless. They can't tell us when it's time to die, even if they were capable of such abstract thought. That's something we have to decide for them, wielding our love, compassion, and common sense as best we can.

I didn't look to my wonderful yellow Labs to tell me when it was time for them to go, one diagnosed with congestive heart failure, the other with colon cancer. The responsibility and decision, it seemed to me, was mine, not theirs. I put them down before they endured any prolonged suffering—my own choice, not a recommendation for others.

In the context of the most personal decision any dog owner ever makes, there are few universal truths. Jack ended up keeping Schuyler alive for two months, until the dog's jaw had swollen to grapefruit size. When he called me again, I told him it seemed time, and he put the dog to sleep. Later, he called this the most wrenching period of his life, so painful he'd decided never to get another dog. I told him that was a shame.

It is the nature of dogs to live much shorter lives than ours—just eight years, on average—and it has always been my belief that to love and own a dog is to understand and accept that along with loyalty, love, and devotion come the ever-present specters of grief and loss. This is as integral a part of the dog-loving experience as going for walks.

There's no Idiot's Guide for this question, no handbook. The many points of view are strongly held. One vet I know says a dog should be euthanized "when it can no longer live the life of a dog—and only the owner knows when that really is." A breeder says she puts her dogs down when "their suffering exceeds their ability to take pleasure in life." A trainer I respect believes her dog should live as long as it can eat.

Another friend and dog lover says she always knows when it's time: "when the soul goes out of their eyes."

I'm not among those who believe dogs have souls, but I know what she means. There is a certain visceral "dogness" about dogs, an interest in people, food, squirrels, passing trucks—whatever—that's part of their individual spirits. When that disappears, it does seem the "soul" of the dog is gone.

But I know other owners—a growing number, according to vets—who fight to keep their dogs alive as long as possible, at all costs.

Researching my last book, I visited an emergency-care clinic that had six dogs on respirators at a cost of nearly a $1,000 per week per dog.

Their owners, the vets said, simply could not bear to lose them. In the context of America's growing love affair with dogs—there are nearly 70 million owned dogs in the United States and nearly 10 million more in shelters—this seems to me a travesty, not only for the dogs but for the humans who've lost sight of the fact that these amazing creatures are animals.

Increasingly, we've come to see our dogs as human, childlike members of our families, companions that sometimes provide us with more emotional support than friends or spouses, more satisfaction than work, more support than we can find elsewhere. As a result, people are increasingly devastated by the loss of their dogs, more uncertain about how and when to put them down, more inclined to spend thousands of dollars on surgery, alternative cures, foods, and treatments that might prolong their lives.

As the owner of three dogs, I spend more than I can truly afford to keep them healthy and vigorous. But as my conversations with Jack reminded me, they are not people. Their lives and deaths ought not be conflated or confused with human losses.

To love dogs is to know death and to accept that there's never a time we are more morally obliged to speak for them than when they face the end of their lives.

In the end you have to do what's best for the dog.

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 07:11:30 PM »

some may be selfish... some are not
i always feel it is between the owner and the pet and your vet i am lucky i trust wilsons vets oppions and judgments
when i had decided to treat wilson i talked with his vet about the odds the odds are not that great because many do not want to try and treat very understandible with the expence and time involed it is very hard adn a long long haul or give up 1/2 through because of the money ( our pets would not want to put us inthe poor house)
we watched him very closly and if he had not showed the sign in the firs tweek that he was responding to the meds he might not be here
the look wilson always gave me and many others saw that look also i know many do not beleive they have a soul but i do
wilson is lucky he is still living life as he always did and the quality of life to me is what is so important not the yrs they live
this is a wonderful post you found!
it will help others also making the choice,it is never easy
take care



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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 07:15:22 PM »

I think it really does depend on the dog, the owner, circumstances, and prognosis.
When Dirtbike was fighting the initial fungal die-off, I really struggled with the idea of putting her down.  She was just over a year old, and was nothing but skin stretched over bones, fighting for every breath, staggering and drooling, wasting away.  It was not a life for a dog. We're farm-type people, so I know what to put in a syringe to end it painlessly.

I was selfish. And I was not strong enough to make the decision.
Her prognosis was "guarded". She was young, and there was a chance if only she could get over the hump.  It wasn't like she had a fatal diagnosis of cancer, or was old and frail.  
But she was suffering terribly and I felt guilty for trying to keep her with me.
So one night, I gave up and decided that it was up to her. I took off her collar and let her go wherever she felt best, did my best to feed her and keep her comfortable.  Somehow she lived through that night, then another day, then another, and so on.

So.  I can't say what's right for anyone else. Each case is different.  
The gift of mercy is the hardest and least selfish to give, and I know I'll be asked again someday.
It hurts to see an animal suffer, and if it were me I'd want someone to help me out of it.  
I only got lucky, but every day I give her an extra hug and remember how thankful I am that she was stronger than I was.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 07:31:08 PM »

Of course we are being selfish in our decisions.  It is, as you say, up to us to make the decisions as to what is best for the dog.  But it is also impossible to truly be detached in that decision, isn't it?  In my own selfishness while Comet was so ill, I had to weigh what I believed was best for Comet ... and also what I could live with...meaning what can I bear emotionally, physically, financially as well.  The hardest part is the not really knowing what is likely to happen if we persist.  Suffering, to me, is acceptable if my dog can recover completely or to a high degree ...assuming I can bear the parts that would be mine to bear in it.  Frankly, I think more people give up too soon than the other way around.  That could be construed as pretty selfish as well.  But, in the end, I believe any decision is the right one if it is done from the heart -- with the head as a leveler -- because the heart, unfettered, will guide us to do the right thing when it is time.  For me, the "time" is when the suffering is too great (for everyone) and the recovery is so remote that the end is obviously near.  That time is different for every person and every dog...and only someone who loves that dog should make that decision -- hard as it is.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 07:41:01 PM »

A very good and timely topic.  Roxy died in my arms Sept 21 2007 after only one day of treatment.  The vet wanted me to "let her go" that day but I didn't do it until I saw her turn the corner; the one where the love remains but the sparkle is gone.  She loved me every second of that day and I loved her until the last beat of her heart.  I'm neither sorry I held on to her for those few extra hours, nor regretful that I finally agreed to let her go.  Within hours Will was in the ICU; within days he too was near death.  I vowed to do everything I could to keep him alive because the thought of losing him too was more than I could bear.  He was only one, like Dirtbike and he was skin and bone but I thought that he had been strong until so recently and if there was one tiny chance for him I would try to save him.  We carried him out for potty, he had tubes in his nose for oxygen and and IV in his leg for other stuff.  Now that we have lived through it I know I made the right decision for both dogs and when we lose a dog on the forum I cry as I cried for Roxy, knowing another person is feeling the pain I felt.  And then I give Will another hug and snuggle up with him at night.  Since my husband died suddenly in July my three dogs have given me a reason to get up in the morning, to go out for healing walks in the sun and have kept me company during the lonely nights.  I will enjoy each of them as long as I possibly can, knowing that the blasto can still take Will or get Harry and Sadie.  There is no right or wrong decision and selfish is a really hard concept to define.  We just try to do the best we can for them.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 07:42:20 PM »

You are right, what's best for the dog should come first. My 'guage' for determining how much vet care to put my dogs thru has been 'how severe is the treatment & what is the prognosis'. My dog Midnight was diagnosed with cancer at about 1 year old. The options were to give her mild pain medication until the cancer spread to major organs & they failed or chemo with multiple surgeries including sawing off part of her upper jaw & reconstruction. Without treatment the prognosis was she might have 5 months. If she survived the chemo & multiple surgeries, she might have 8 months to a year. My decision was to let her be a dog for as long as she could with the pain medication. She lived for just over 5 months until her system started shutting down & much as it hurt, I knew she wouldn't have any more time enjoying her life. Another dog, Sheba, was diagnosed with a uterine infection, very serious requiring immediate spaying. The prognosis was if there were no complications from surgery, she would be fine. Her regular vet suggested U of IL vet clinic because they have 24/7 staff to watch for complications. She was pretty miserable & in intensive care for 3 days & cost almost $1000 but lived another 3 years until developing cancer. In both cases, I think I made the right choices for the dogs. As long as the prognosis for my dog is to return to normal life, I give them whatever vet care they need.

I don't know if this will help anyone, but I don't put my dogs thru extensive vet treatment if it will only temporarily put off the inevitable, like in Midnight's case.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2008, 10:34:10 AM »

Of course we are being selfish.  Everything we do is based, at least somewhat, on our own self interest.  Humans do everything based on one of two actions: either avoid pain or gain pleasure.  Having a dog in our lives gives us a huge gain in pleasure.  For some, the prospect of loosing their dog is pain to be avoided at all cost.  The pain of loosing Gunner is something that I am planning on avoiding as long as possible as long as her pain is minimal and managable.   

I see her ebbing away.  It is like she is in accellerated aging at this point.  Instead of acting like her 3 1/2 years, she is acting more like she is 7 or 8.  She is not in pain.  Sometimes her muscles ache a bit and sometimes she is mildly uncomfortable, but she isn't hurting.  She still jumps up when you mention "cat" or "ride" two words that we have to spell but she has caught on to those too. 

Unlike some, I *KNOW* dogs have a soul.  They dream.  How can you dream if you don't have a soul?  Dogs have a sense of humor, how can you have a sense of humor if you don't have a soul?  Dogs love unconditionally.  How can you LOVE if you don't have a soul.  For me it is an obvious no brainer.  Of course dogs have a soul. 

Selfishly, I fought blasto because I couldn't let her go before I was truly able to say that *I* had done EVERYTHING *I* could to save her because Blasto isn't always fatal, there was a glimmer of light at the end of the blasto tunnel.  As long as she was not giving up, I wasn't either.  Kidney failure on the other hand is terminal.  So as long as she isn't suffering and gets up in the morning pleased to be here, it is good enough for me and I will cling to this one more day with my dear sweet dog because tomorrow could be another day. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2008, 11:29:58 AM »

Well said, Joyce.  I have been thinking of this topic since last night when it was posted.  Very timely -- and a very appropriate forum to discuss it on.  The selfish question arises, in each of us, out of the pain of guilt which pretty much only happens when we lose the battle.  If our selfishness would have been rewarded -- meaning the dog survived (or the goal achieved) -- I daresay there would be no pain of guilt and, therefore, no selfish question.  We question our motives when we suffer (and cause suffering) and FAIL in reaching the goal as the suffering then seems pointless.  The survival rate for this awful disease is something like 75%.  Those 75% do not wear big red signs.  Some of their "parents" are members here ...Marge, Dirtbike, Wilson, Comet ... and some of us caused a lot of suffering in order to make it to be in that 75%.  Some of us became the 25% (Jackson, Angus, Roxie..) even though we fought hard and even caused some suffering in the wake.  Those of us with survivors feel we did the right thing.  Those of us who lost the battle question whether we caused needless suffering.  We all wondered if we were doing the right thing while we were doing it, but the survivors never questioned it again once the dogs recovered (even with some ailments or missing an eye). because it seems worth it when you WIN.  But, if you LOSE the battle, it seems like pointless suffering, doesn't it.    The problem is that this disease has lots of suffering even for the survivors and we can't tell, up front, whose is going to live and who is going to die.

I am certain there are cases where everyone absolutely knows that it is time to let the dog go and the owner just can't or won't do it.  My good friend lost his beloved golden retriever after 14 years last Christmas.  Hunter was failing fast as Jeff put him through a couple rounds of chemo, pain meds, and bought him wheels to carry his rear legs so he could walk.  He bought him a year of hunting and training and visiting with Comet and loving.  My friend's love was great, and he constantly wrestled whether he should have Hunter put down ...and he felt such guilt.  But even though Hunter could not recover (which is HUGE), Hunter was not in pain.  Hunter also did not "give up".  One evening, Hunter just did not seem to care anymore; his eyes were lifeless and indifferent, and Jeff sat on the floor with him and cried tears he did not know he had left.  He made the decision to take Hunter to the vet the next morning for the last time because the pain each of them was feeling was so great and mutual.  But Hunter died in his arms.  Jeff was over last night, and we talked about that dog.  I have videos of that dog.  That was the dog that made me want a dog.  And I will always love that dog too.  Jeff said, near the end, that he was being selfish in hanging on to Hunter so long but that he (Jeff) just couldn't let go.  He was being selfish.  But if selfish has to mean that his needs were BEFORE Hunter's, then he was not selfish at all for that dog had a great life and a great death -- and deserved nothing less.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2008, 04:33:59 PM »

mhitesman--thanks so much for your post--you said everything exactly how i feel and see it but never could have written it like you did.  and gunners owner--i to believe that dogs have a soul!  i also believe that each one of us should learn from each and everything we experience in life--we were given our dogs for a reason--i have learned alot about myself/life because of this blasto--i have also learned that there are more people in the world that WOULDNT have stuck it out with their dogs if they got blasto--i am very proud to be the minority.  most of my animals have special needs of some kind--my 13 yr old corgi mix has one eye--my gunner is now blind from his blasto--my 16 yr old horse has crippling navicular disease--her 3 yr old "baby" also has a crippling bone disease--my show horse has insulin resistance.  gunner and the horse problems have all been diagnosed within the past 4 years!  i was becoming more and more depressed with all of my animal problems and the constant worry about whether i was doing the right thing for each of them while putting myself in the poor house caring for all of them.  then just this spring i was crying to a friend about gunner being blind/blasto she wrote me a very touching letter a few days later and it was the wake up call i needed--she let me know that GOD lead my animals to me because he knew i would do everything in my power to help them through all of their diseases because he knew no one else would!  the letter said alot more than that but it just hit me right where it was supposed to---it is hanging on my frig.  the other moment i will always remember while crying about my blind dog and questioning whether i was doing the right thing for him---i was sitting with Gunner and it hit me---my dog NEVER FOR ONE MOMENT let his blindness get him down---he learned his way around within one weeks time and was a fighter---so what the heck was i crying about---the dog had so much strength so where was mine---i needed to be there for him just like he had been there for me everytime i needed him.  i realized i had to pull it together for his sake and mine and that is what i have done.  sure there are still days when i want to cry but i never let him "see" me cry anymore---i also believe that dogs feel what we feel and i will not drag him down.  i have recently starting reading a book called "Animals In Spirit" and it has helped me alot!  i have always had HUGE issues with death and this book is helping me deal with my issues.  i want my dog to be here on earth because he wants to be NOT because he thinks he has to stay to take care of me---just last week after reading the book i was laying in bed with gunner by my side and i was talking to him letting him know that if it was time for him to go then that is what he needed to do-- that "mom" will deal with it and be just fine because i had tried to help him with everything i had and got to spend several more months with him that i didnt think i would have---he licked me on the arm and layed his head down---he's not ready yet.  owning animals and having to make life decisions for them is the hardest thing i have ever done but i would do it all over again.  the bond that i feel with my animals is the best feeling in the world and each and every one of my animals has something different to offer in their own way and i love each and every one of them the same.  i know so many people that have animals that dont have any relationship with their pets at all--just throw food to them in a kennel in the back yard and never let them out to play---talk to them---love on them---what kind of life is that?  right when i came across this site i was doubting whether i was "normal" or not for doing all the things i do for my animals---you would not believe the comments people make to me when they find out i have a blind dog--etc.  and ask me "what kind of quality of life can a blind dog have"---"why didnt i just put him down-there are plenty of other dogs out there"!  Not like my dog though.  its funny though because when someone is fortunate enough to meet Gunner they dont even realize he is blind---he is a truly amazing dog and i love him with all my heart and soul and i know 100% that he feels the same for me and no one will ever change my mind about that or make me question the bond that i share with my pets.                       
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2008, 05:06:41 PM »

People like you guys honestly make me feel that there is still some good in the world. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2008, 05:58:39 PM »

Absolutely wonderful posts.  Thank you for offering your points of view.  I'm with you.  4 years ago, I had a horse that died at 46.  He hadn't been rideable for over 20 years.  People kept asking me why I didn't send him for glue, I would get $money$.  (That always pissed me off!) I finally had to put the poor guy down because he lost all his teeth and would have starved on hay.  I could have fed him gruel and hoped he made it through another winter, but my beloved Stranger was ready to go.  When the vet came, it was the only time he saw a vet that he go berzerk.  Bless his wonderful heart, he was ready.   

I think those of us who are in love and in tune with our pets will know when they are ready to say good-bye.  And yes, it is wonderful to enjoy others who know what we are talking about when we talk about loving our pets.  What a joy you all are.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2008, 09:57:12 PM »

You all made me cry. I cannot even say anything that wasnt already said. If you all could see a glimpse into one day of my life with animals not only would you die of uncontrollable laughter but you would fall in love with em all as I am sure I would all of yours (oh yeah you would also slip on the drool covering my kitchen floors). ;D ;D ;D ;D I have a family member who will no longer visit my home because "we let our dogs run our house". We are true animal lovers who see animals for their souls and not just cuz we want a dog or a cat. I am in their lives for the long haul and they will let me know when they are ready to go. God bless you all - you are rare form.

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2008, 06:34:54 AM »

THANKS FOR THE POSTS!

I just finished reading the posts and I AM RIGHT THERE WITH EVERYONE!!!

God brought Brando into my life to help me through a rock climbing accident, a relationship that didn't work out, the death of my big brother to glioblastoma and so much more!  GOD BROUGHT BRANDO TO ME!!!!  HOW BLESSED AM I!!!!!

When he sleeps he runs.... his legs just keep moving and he makes these sounds like he's talking to me.  He's in a deep REM! 
I LOVE MY DOG!!!

Live your life the way you want to and for your dog.  If people don't understand, they either don't want to or are being selfish.   We're not here to please anyone but only do what's right for you and your dog!   Someone made a comment about dog owners  just putting food out and not giving any love.  When I see a dog kenneled all day with no socialization, that's not a dog's life, that's a prison sentence (WORST THAN THAT).  I fostered a rescued dog in the fall of 2006, Nemo, a beautiful white shephard.  The dog in just two weeks moved mountains.  He's with his new owners who love him dearly in his forever home.  It all started because one lady took time to care about a dog.  I just answered her email looking for help.  I took time off work and just did it!!!  Didn't think twice about it...  I'LL ALWAYS HAVE THE GREAT MEMORIES THAT NEMO MADE IN OUR LIVES. 

I have to tell everyone something that I reported to the local authorities last month because in my heart of all hearts I had to.  I received word that someone had a sick dog.  The dog was young not even two.   I don't know their story other than the young owner (20 yrs old just got his 2nd drunk driving and is facing time in jail and his parents didn't want to spend the money on the dog but on court courts I imagine.   I care about the wealthfare and safety of animals.  The young boy, age 20, shot the dog twice because they said it was sick.  I found out through the 'grapevine' and reported it to the local sherriff's office in Vilas County.  I was crushed and so sad....  What kind of human would do that?  How? Why?  I don't know what became of it other than that it was reported as a complaint without giving my name.    Like I told the police officier, if they didn't want the dog give it to the humane society so they could find a 'forver loving' home... 

THANKS FOR ALLL THE WONDERFUL POSTS ON THE TOPIC.  I'M SAD FOR JACKSON AND ALL THE OTHER DOGS THAT HAVE TO SUFFER FROM BLASTO SOME WITH PERMANENT SCARES OTHER EMOTIONAL/PHYSICALLY....

 I feel that this is the only place where I can talk about blasto and where people will listen and open their hearts...  SO THANK YOU EVERYONE WHO MAKES THIS WEBSITE RUN EVERY DAY!!!!  It started from Lisa in memory of Surf!!!  I check everyday to see home many views the newsletter has received and the number goes up daily:))).

HAVE A NICE FALL WEEKEND.
GOD BLESS EVERYONE
SHARON AND CANINE PAL, BRANDO 2X BLASTO SURVIVOR
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2008, 02:45:46 PM »

I have had my share of conversations with the vet with regards to the costs of treatment for Blasto., the rate of recovery, and the amount of pain my Ish is feeling.  I know he is in pain, he slouches when he sits, he moves every few minutes, he groans, he just isn't Ish.  Luckily I found an affordable treatment - a treatment that gave me the option to decide what 'I" wanted to do.  Is it best for Ish?  I can only hope. 
My vet spoke to someone fro Halifax - it seem's that they spent well over $25,000 treating their dog for Blasto.  Another woman, who's dog had liver problems, bought a local vet clinic a hyperbolic chamber so that her dog, and dogs like hers, could play pain free for 1 hour a day. 
In Canada, our health care is covered - we do not have to make choices for treatment for ourselves or our family members based on their costs - it is covered.  Medications are not - we are used to high costs for these.  I cannot imagine struggling with the costs associated with this illness for a pet AND a family member.  I am having difficulty struggling with the costs for just 1 dog - and it is early in the game.
I have seen family members with cancer die within weeks of diagnosis - appearing to be perfectly healthy in September and going to their funeral in November.  I have also seem someone given 6 months and live for 3 years - always battling the disease.  I always ask myself, given the choice, would I want to live if I had no life (was bedridden, in constant pain) or would I rather live what life is given to me.  I think, when it came down to Ish, I felt that he still had a life, that he could still have a life, so I wanted him to live.  If it changes, and I see that he is just living, than I will have to rethink my choices.  In the end, I think that we are always trying to do what we feel, in our hearts, is right - sometimes it is for the animal, other times, it is for us. 
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Re: Are we being selfish???
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2008, 07:34:22 PM »

once again go with what your gutt feelings are they are always the rightway to go
and no pet would ever want its family to go inthe poor house they love us to much

i do remember when wilson went in for his 1st check up after starting treatment boy was he excited to see his vet he ran in to the clinic and looked for his doc. and put his front legs up on his shoulders and liked him ( wilson doesnt give just anyone a kiss) it was as if he was thanking him for helping him
wilosn alsi cought me a chipmonck once he was off and running again inthewoods is was a really big one and not touch in anay way otehr thenit was dead he ran over so proud and droppe dit at my feet andlooked up only to have joey and myself a bit upset he went off with his head hug low and sad i felt bad once i realized he was really just thanking me for beleiving in him and helping him get better
he loves life and someone on here said where their is life their is hope and they are so right sometimes it doesnt always go the way we want but in time we understand whyit was
it is very hard to know what is right
 i know many people say to me you spent what to save a dog just get another one
i say he isnt just a dog he is a family memeber and it is my choice and no thier will never be another wilson,chance or bandit all 3 of my boys are so different they all have different things they like or dislike and they each have their favorite toy and food and one loves puppies when another puts up with them my chance he is my sons dog and he love sme but whenit comes down to it chance is joeys all around and i am the one who feeds him but no he is still joeys dog so no thier will never to me be 2 dogs the same
 and your right it all depends on what the quality of life they have sometimes thouh their is some pain involed but in the end it is worth it and they will let you know is time
some say we are selfish i do not think so ...
i feel you can not just toss a life away we try and help them and when the time is here for them to go we will know when enough is enough
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