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Wilson3

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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2009, 01:35:07 PM »

Yes I feeding off an attack from you done to many weather  through this board or through pivate messaging you have done.

I can only imagine you trying to take apart a capsule with hundreds of tiny little beads rolling all over the place and you thinking that your dog is getting the right dose.
Impossible in my eyes!
You acting as if compounding is bad..well then you need to face up to millions  and I mean millions on people and animal drs. that do do compound of drugs.
And if you would read my posts right I said that it is important for peopel to monator there pets/dogs to see what levels the drug is reaching them
It does not matter compound or not each drug works different on every living thing.Itra does not work on all fluconazole  is much better for some the drip works better for some
All I am saying is that many have great luck with componding drugs if they didn't it would not be availible and millions would be dead without it

Can you imagine the millions that would be dead if compounding didn't happen?
There are risk with every drug we take.
We risk getting out of bed in the morning we risk life ever second we breathe.

You act as if I am stupid I am not!
You act as if many on this board are stupid! They are not!!! You are the only one that seems to not to understand the need for compounding drugs and that there are risks with all drugs you take.
Can not wait for yoru reply or your nasty email!
I wash my hands to your replys!
I only hope and pray that others also understand the need for compound beads or powder they all work and all have risks is the bottom line! And we all need to monitor them no matter what!

wilson3
Just an FYI Wilson's dose was increased to the highest "safe"dose after 3 months of treatment reason being the Blasto was so bad in his body and the dose he was on was no longer responding as it should have not because he was on a compounded drug but because Wilson should have never survived and a he did His whole body was loaded and for some reason he was given a second chance in life.

Wilson would be dead with out it I have written proof he should have never made it if you would like me to send you the paper work.

Vets very confused as to why Wilson survived and beat all the odds!
All vitals saying he should be dead. Do not understand right on the paper work. Big bold letters.
 
He is blasto free for 2 yrs and runs with the best of them. Still at almost 9ish can jump a 6 ft fence from a stand still,and bring the nastist bull into the barn,bring in 50 head with no problem on his own more if I would let him
Not just one but all vets even in Madison where they have done many studies on Blasto.
So it is not just one vet say this that has not had any experience with blasto ,many have!

I stand my groung compounding powder itra saved wilsons life! and saved many others also!
Do not be scared to use it because someone has issues with it.
Compounding has higher odds because more people use it think about it.
How many really use the 100mg dose?? Common sence here!
« Last Edit: September 02, 2009, 02:02:11 PM by Wilson3 »
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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2009, 11:26:41 PM »

Wilson,

I think you're getting pissed off here for no reason.  I don't think that anyone is arguing what type of itra is better or not, what's being questioned is the legitimacy of the pharmacies that are delivering the drugs.  Can you say for sure that every single pharmacy out there is 100% honest and 100% legit?  Can you say that you know for a fact that every single pharmacy, whether it's in Mexico, or Canada or where ever someone might order from online is going to give a 100% accurate prescription?

It doesn't matter what kind of itra you're giving (well it might depending on the specifics of the case) as long as we're comparing apples to apples.  Name brand vs. compounded doesn't matter as long as the compounding pharmacy is actually putting in what you requested.

What the FDA is monitoring and reporting on is dishonest compounding pharmacies that don't fill the prescription with 100% of what you're paying for.  This is why we should be watching just what compounding pharmacies we use.  This is why we should monitor drug levels.  The fact that your dog survived is proof that you chose a good pharmacy.  How many did you use?  How many of them can you actually vouch for?  It's good that you found a good one.  When I needed itra made up, I went to the pharmacy at the local human hospital.  I figured they'd be honest enough.  But would I have bet my dogs life on some unknown pharmacy from some third world country that is probably more concerned with my payment than filling the script accurately, not a chance.  Would you have?

I don't think you can suggest that every single pharmacy out there is as honest as the one you chose.  That's what this argument is about, not all pharmacies are 100% legit. 
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Wilson3

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« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2009, 07:32:31 AM »

No nothing is 100% brand name or not or compound
 but mhitesman seems to think compounding is wrong/bad what every  her werid emails to people saying we lie?

I just do not want people to not use it
saying we are cheap because we may use the powder  if that is what we decided to use excuse me I take it personally what we went through in my household Wilson is a champ
what has she done other then send nasty emails maybe we need to post these emails
and someone with problems like that is just werid !

think what you want I do not want her to scare people away from what may be the only way they can treat or afford
she will only be killing dogs that could possibly survive
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Re: Sporanox, Generic, Compounded, ending the controvercy.
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2009, 12:31:34 PM »



My inbox is filled with stupid emails for "discount" drugs of all sorts.  Personally, I wouldn't be stupid enough to order anything from a spammer, but there are those that do.  It would be a shame to have some desperate person mail order itra from some shady outfit and then not get what they ordered simply because they traded off "saving a buck" for "choosing a reputable pharmacy"

Those of us that have had success with compounding pharmacies should front for those particular chemists.  (like at the front of this thread)  But I doubt every single outfit out there maintains a high standard.
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Wilson3

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« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2009, 06:51:46 PM »

Kash sorry to say but now you are starting to sound like the other person...
no one ever said to just go and buy from any parmacy please (show me where I said this)

WE HAVE LISTED ONLY PHARAMCYS THAT WE ARE SELVES HAVE USED WITH GREAT SUCCESS

I NEVER GET SUCH EMAILS FROM PHARMACYS WANTING ME TO OREDER FROM THEM

ONCE AGAIN MY ONLY POINT IS THAT MOST ARE USING A COMPOUND DRUG AND YES MONITOR ANIMAL/PERSON USING SAID DRUG
BUT JUST BECAUSE IT MAY BE A POWDER INSTEAD OF BEAD IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS BAD ANY DRUG COMPANY CAN GIVE BAD DRUGS LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE USING THE POWDER OVER THE BEADS THAT MAY BE WHY THE NUMBERS ARE HIGHER

(MUST HAVE HIT MY CAPS BOTTOM,sorry)
I really do not get the point of this?
Some people I guess think I should have just let Wilson die because I only make $20,000 a yr.( I am not worthy of owning a pet) and had to use a compound drug and could not afford $300 a month for meds plus all the other treatments and supplements
Boy I wish my vets office would reply to this

Sad really.... and I guess every other person that can not afford the brand name should just let them die is what I am getting out of this sad just way to sad
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« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2009, 03:34:36 PM »

Wow.  I just read this.  Clearly I have offended you big time, Wilson.  I am not sure why, but I really am sorry to have hurt you.  To my knowledge, I have not sent you any email or private messages -- let alone nasty ones.  I have replied to private messages that have been sent to me by others (only two others have ever sent me messages), and, to be honest, one series of interchanges was a bit of a debate.  Since you appear to know about that exchange, I surmise that you were told about it privately.  I have no problem if that person wishes to publish any of those messages as long as they are not misrepresented.  Like I said, I was responding to messages that were sent to me, and I have the same high regard for that person even now -- despite our varied opinions.

Dirtbike is alive and well because of the wonderful care and treatment you provided.   No question.  But even if he were not alive and well, I would still absolutely believe that you did the best you could for your beloved dog, and I would not draw a conclusion that you gave him inferior medication...there is just no way of knowing that for any of us.  I didn't know about the random FDA samples taken of the big compounding pharmacies whereby the FDA published that the chances of not getting the right dosage of active ingredient from the large compounding pharmacies was 1 in 3 VS 1 in 10 from the FDA approved pharmacies selling generic and brand name drugs.  But my vet's strong advice as well as the FDA's published increased risk regarding large compounding pharmacies IN GENERAL does sway my opinion.  I have no knowledge of whether Pet Pharmacy or Roadrunner were tested at all for accuracy of any drug formulation. 

I would never question your love or best intentions for your dogs, or your integrity as a person, and I am feel badly if anything I have written implies that.  Each of us makes the decisions for our dogs, and we do the best we can.

It was difficult for me to get a handle on the difference between brand name, generic, and compounded (of which there are two definitions, sort of).  Clearly, it has been confusing for others as well.  If anyone does not feel it is important, I respect their right to question what I have written as well as to ignore any or all of the info.  But it was important to me in deciding how to treat Comet, and more than a few others have weighed in on the subject as well.   My son lives in the midwest, and if his dog were to get blasto, I can assure you he would treat his dog with compounded itra rather than brand Sporanox because there is no way he could afford what Comet's meds cost.    He would monitor it in Zim's blood to ensure effectiveness (not a bad idea but not as important with brand Sporanox), and Zim would be treated as effectively as if she were on Sporanox -- just like Dirtbike was, apparently. 

As far as me breaking open Comet's capsules to divide some in half each day... that is exactly what the pharmacist would have done if I could have convinced him to do it.  I did not spill any.  Was it perfect?  No.  But it was close, and he got the exact dosage of 300 mg each day (1.5 caps more or less each 12 hours).

Honestly, my intent in posting is never to hurt but to ask questions and offer info where I can.  This subject was of great interest to me (maybe without merit), and I therefore shared what I learned because I appreciate that others have done that for me.  I have read things here, and other places, that I have chosen to ignore or even disagreed with, but I have found no place as informative, supportive, and helpful as this forum, and I am truly ashamed that anything I have written here has been interpreted by your or anyone else as detrimental to this place.

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Re: Sporanox, Generic, Compounded, ending the controvercy.
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2009, 06:14:42 PM »

As far as me breaking open Comet's capsules to divide some in half each day... that is exactly what the pharmacist would have done if I could have convinced him to do it.  I did not spill any.  Was it perfect?  No.  But it was close, and he got the exact dosage of 300 mg each day (1.5 caps more or less each 12 hours).

I don't want to get too involved in this debate except to say that I don't see anything wrong with splitting up the daily dose yourself by "guessing". Itraconazole has a long half life (17-24 hrs or longer) once absorbed and the Merck Veterinary Manual actually recommends the dosage as once a day. I think most vets split the dose to reduce the risk of side effects like nausea, loss of appetite, etc. So as long as the daily dose is right it shouldn't matter if the split doses are slightly off. So I think close enough counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and itraconazole ;)
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Wilson3

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« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2009, 07:48:25 PM »

Richard there is nothing wrong with doing it your self that was the point I was trying to make
there is no difference but some think compounding through a parmacy is not good.
glad to see things are going well for you guys
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« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2009, 05:37:48 PM »

Okay, I'm sitting here suddenly with tears in my eyes because whether you know it or not, Wilson, MHitesman, Kash, Eva, Paintbuturner, Jen, Lisa, all you folks are like family to me and it sounds like this family is being torn apart.  Please stop it.  Mika has a bad v-shaped gash, not so big but very deep, in her back paw above her pad and vet tech tells me by phone that it won't heal but will granulate after many weeks.  So far, Mika's doing fine, walking well, not infected, and since she is on itra., I don't worry too much about this being an entry point for more blasto (hope I'm right on that!).  The point of all this is that she is doing fine, but in the back of my mind has been the thought that if things don't go well with her paw, I've got a place where I can ask for information and like as not, get better information than I would from my vet or vet's tech (much easier to get to talk to her than to my overworked vet).  So please, let's get it back together like the good days (whoever would think the time when we learn our pet has blasto could be good days) when I first started coming to this forum.  Please.  Everyone on this forum obviously, as Kash so eloquently says, is doing his/her best.
Thanks -- please take this to heart -- Carol
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Wilson3

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« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2009, 08:20:38 PM »

okay I have been thinking and re think this topic ..
how come powder compound itra has worked for so many on this site..
well I went and looked at this site from the fda http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/PharmacyCompounding/ucm155725.htm
look at how out dated the research is it is from the 90's very earily 2000's
the other problem is where these pharmacys from the US or from around the world or mexico I have heard many scary things about getting meds from other countries is wish they would have said and I wish they would have said if they fixed the problem
There was some from arizona on a site claiming powder does not work when I called then to ask how could this be and told them about Wilson and many others on here that used it they hung up on me

to bad they do not do more up to date research....
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http://secure.healthlinks.net.au/content/jc/pi.cfm?product=jcpsporc10908
I also came across this site and it is a bit confusing.. it says itra is a white yellowish powder????
now I thought Sporanax was beads???

like my vets says I should not believe things on the internet no matter where they claim they are from

so what are we to believe?
 they will not make it on the powder? ...        but a lot more on here have used it (the powder) then the beads and survived and lots have past on that have used the beads

oh well wilson used powder all the way and is alive and very healthy and a friends dog used the beads and died
just waaaay to frustrating  >:( ???
I think I need to stop looking things up like my vet told me a long time ago...
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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2009, 06:12:21 PM »

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Wilson3

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« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2011, 10:49:01 PM »

just bumping this up thought it may help some people understand the drug better(I know it says ending the controversy ,this was back in 2008
when a few people had some questions, there is really good info on it )
has a ton of great info explaining
brand name to generic

what compounding drugs are  (which most are using if not giving 100mg cause it only comes in this dose so compounding is needed)

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