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[dax]

all we are saying........is give peace a chance.........
let's all have a massive bed in, everyone with their blastoed animals
what do you say?

[sknksmll]

What a shame
Wilson3 already deleted her account.
I hope the posts do not disappear.
I feel really bad to have cause so much trouble!
But I really understood the posts as compounding is a bad thing to do.
I have read and re read the Mira Vista info and the way they right it up if you read it fast it sounds the same way.
Maybe if I was not so worried and having a sick pet it would have sounded different on the Mira Vista site.
I have called and asked that they re word it better.
I am sorry and I very sad Wilson has left the board.
 I do not think people really knew all she did.
When Charlie was in the ICU,I being so confused and scared she and Wilson drove out in the middle of the night.
Almost a 6 hour drive for her.
They did there magic and the vet could not believe the difference.
Faith and positive energy she said.
Wilson is wonderful he went right up to Charlie and laid his head on him.
Wilson3 also has records of ever dog on this site.
She charts it, All the info.
She had her lap top and showed me the info to give me hope.
Did you guys know Wilson was one of the first dogs on here to survive.
She never stopped and never gave up hope.

I have been up many nights reading all the posts dated way back to 2006.
Many of you use her same words of encouragment.
The group that was on here when Wilson was sick is what got the ball rolling to help you all,,me too!
To know what feed,how to feed.,how to help them rest,breath better.
It is sad cause many people do not like posting on boards so they would contact her privately.

Her cell phone rings at all hours of the day and night and she was there to support them.
Now that is lost because of a word being used differently.
I really thought compouder was bad from the way it was worded.
I did not now it was ment to mean the powder itra.
My vet had no idea either.
Anyways, I am sorry to all the new people that will miss out from her caring heart and hand.
Charlies mom  

[Cathy, Bailey and Duke]

(hugs)

[Lolasmom]

Wow.....I really didn't mean to start such a hubba.  I respect Wilsons opinion and I'm sure, for some, bulk powdered Itra works.  But I truely believe that when you use it luck plays a BIG part in whether its successful or not.  My only point is "why bet on your dogs life when there are other options?"  I tried the powdered Itra based on Wilsons posts and I wasted 3 months. It didn't work for Lola.  I don't know what Lolas numbers were to start with bc we didn't get a positive Mira Vista test until after the 18 days of Spornax.  However, like I said, I saw SIGNIFICANT improvement during the first 18 days on the Spornax.  I'm SURE it saved her life and I don't believe she would have made it on the bulk powdered.  As far as I can recall, Logan and Lola are the only ones on the board who have used both, so I think we are just speaking from our experience.   As for me, I just want to make it clear to readers that Lola used it but I wouldn't recommend it.  I don't want to be responsible for anyone making a poor choice based on my posts that would cause them to lose their dog.  I'm sorry if I disagree with Wilson, but honestly, in my heart I feel its reckless to promote the use of bulk powdered Itra when there are other choices like Fluc.  I'm sorry if this offends you Wilson.  I respect your opinion, but disagree with you on this point.  I see the difference in Lola and her numbers after using both and it just didn't work for us.  No the Mira Vista test isn't perfect but once you get a number, I can't recall anyone going back up on beaded Itra.  Maybe on bulk because you never know what your getting, but not Spornax.

Anyways, I'm sorry y'all, but I couldn't just sit by and allow it to be promoted.  Not with a clear conscious.  I'm sorry.

[sknksmll]

The sad thing here is, that Wilson3 was only upset that it was not totally clear for everyone that
you ment powder itra when you used the term compound/compounding/compouder.
It made it sound like it was wrong to compound,make the right dose.

See Charlie is on 150mg and itra only comes in 100mg.
100mg is not enough for Charlies weight.
So,I had no idea how he would get the right dose if we did not compound the itra.

She never said any forum of itra was bad or waste of money.
Just that many have had positive results using the powder and some people can not afford the brand name
and using the powder is better then nothing.
Making people feel bad cause they can not afford the brand name is not good either.

And no, she would give her life for Wilson.
The bond those two have I can only dream of having with a dog.
I believe many others would only dream of there bond also.
Those two stayed here for a few days.
Even our vet and the vet tech said they never seen anything like it.
To accuse her of being reckless with Wilson's life, is a shame.

She showed me all of Wilson's medical records.
I do not know how she does it .

The totals I saw on the bills from him being sick with Blasto and cancer was well over $30,000.
So if money was an issue ,I do not see it.
I would not say reckless either.

She has a list 10 miles long of people that did survive using the powder itra.
She also, has Lola's info that you posted about not using the powder itra.
A few others also.
She said some have not had good results with it,but many do.
Each case is different.
It is also what you believe in.
Like some people will not buy Roundy's brand or will only us a Coach purse.
Nothing wrong with it ,just what they believe in.

I am glad she will never have to read that you think she was reckless with Wilson's life.
Did you see his pictures of when he was sick?

I talked to her for 2 hours today.
She told me not to worry and the ones that do not want to post on here will find her and Wilson.
You really do not know how many she and Wilson,yes Wilson,have helped.
She did remove her account,it says "guest" buy her name now.
It is a good thing really!

[Lolasmom]

First of all, I NEVER said half the things your accusing me of.  I never said SHE WAS RECKLESS WITH WILSON.  Secondly, NO ONE is discouraging POOR people from treating their dogs.  Their are other drugs like FLUC that are just as affordable as powdered Itra and MORE RELIABLE.  THAT IS MY ENTIRE POINT.  Use whatever YOU want. But "I" am not going to ENCOURAGE people to use something that "I" don't believe really works well.  Wilson can encourage it all she wants, I regret listening.  I should have either used Fluc or found a way to do what I'm doing now. 

I'm sorry if YOU don't like my opinion, but as someone who has tried both I feel obligated to give it.

I think I have been clear that I understood Wilsons comment and changed my wording.  It seems to me like YOUR the only one who beleives anything different.  Wilson has fought with people about using compounded bulk powdered Itra before.  I understand, she beleives in it.  I don't.  I am entitled to my opinion and don't want others to recklessly make the decision to use it based on my earlier posts without knowing the facts or the results I had.

I think Wilson and you are just upset bc I didn't agree with you.

Both you and Wilson have thrown up that some people can't afford Spornax....bulk, powdered IS NOT their ONLY OPTION.  Fluconazole is just as affordable and more reliable, more stable and more absorbable.

I love Wilson, appreciate that she has a good heart but I disagree.  It seems really ridiculous to me that she would get so upset that she would delete her account just because I disgreed.  BUT I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH SOMETHING I  BELIEVE IS A BAD THING.  AND YES, I BELIEVE <FROM EXPERIENCE> THAT BULK POWDERED ITRA IS A WASTE OF MONEY AND POTENTALLY COUL RESULT IN THE DEATH OF A DOG.  BUT THAT'S "MY" OPINON.   I don't know what to say if Wilson is upset about that.  I hope Wilson comes back, she has a wealth of information.  But "I" believe its wrong to promote the use of bulk Itra, especially when there are other equally affordable options. 

[sknksmll]

Fisrt I must say Lolas Mom you are right you and Wilson did understand each other.
It was lilboogz79 that had to add.
To make things get so bad here.

As for what I was going off on was you posting

"why bet on your dogs life when there are other options?"

I feel that things should be word better when disagreeing with someone.

And again you are right that you and Wilson understood the wording thing and that is all it was about.
 But lilboogz79 is really the one that had made this into something so big.,with the her post.
And you and I are feeding into the bull.

This is why Wilson left the board Not because of you Lolas Mom. SORRY I should have made that clear from the get go.
She says you are great for the board and did not feel she had to check in as much, Like she use to.
She could work on other things with Blasto.
She would read the posts but knew they where in good hands cause you also would answer back with support.

(this is the post why she said she had enough)
"Insert Quote
Wow, I miss a few days of logging into the site and you guys are all going back and forth with who's right and who's wrong. Let's remember that we are all here to try to help one another. Through the good, the bad, and the ugly! Everybody has the right to their own opinions, and I've said it before that we each have to make the decisions that we feel are right for our babies. Wilson3, even though you say you're only concerned about the usage of terminology, you have on several occasions stated that the antigen tests and the name brand Sporanox are a waste of money...thats YOUR opinion, and its fine to have but just remember that to someone like me those were the only things that saved Logan and saved my sanity! So if someone else has the opinion that any kind of generic, compounded, or bulk form of the Itra is bad and a waste of money, thats their opinion. All of our opinions are based off of what is and isnt working for our own dogs. And as for some of the 'misuse' of terminology, dont blame others decisions on that because in all honesty, every single person on the this site should be bending over backwards doing their own research!!! Everytime Lolasmom used the term compounded, I knew what she was referring to! Why, because I did my own research and also had the personal experience of the same drugs she was using not working on Logan! I'm sorry if anything I've written today offends anyone, that is not the purpose....but please, this is supposed to be a place to have friends, people who understand everything your going through, a place to vent, and to cry, and to be happy....not to be getting nasty with each other over differences that cannot be compared!!!"

[lilboogz79]

I would like to know how it is now my fault that all of this happened?!? I have read my post that supposedly "stirred the pot" repeatedly and it says nothing more then the same things everyone else has said at some point and the fact that I just wanted everyone to remember that we are here to be supportive of one another! No one is blaming Wilson3 for wrong doing, I think her information has been wonderful and well used by all! I was also trying to be supportive of Lolasmom because we are some of the only ones that have had the same experience with the bulk powder Itra, and felt she was being accused wrongly for her opinions just as others feel Wilson3 was wrongly accused....NONE of this should have come to 'accusations' and 'debates'! I would still 100% tell people of every option they have, and not judge for the decisions they make, but will also tell them what finally worked for Logan. And I truly do NOT appreciate being blamed by Sknksmll for being the one to make things so bad. Everyone was ALREADY debating heatedly and I was simply trying to remind everyone to GET ALONG!!! So, if that is the case, and I'm going to be the one being accused of things that were taken out of perspective then I guess I too will delete my account because I dont need added stress in my life from people who dont even know me! If I do decide at some point to delete then the few of you who I truly care about from the bottom of my heart, especially Lolasmom, I will still stay in contact through email or Facebook, whatever works best!! And by the way, to those of you who do care...Logan officially has only two days left of meds, just had a great review from his eye specialist who we are now finished with, and has an appt with his holistic doctor in two weeks...He's is doing FANTASTIC and I couldnt be happier!!!!

[Lolasmom]

Logans mom didn't say ANYTHING inappopriate.  She was basically enforcing exactly what I was saying.  That's its a matter of OPINION.  Since both Lola AND Logan had the same experiences with bulk powdered Itra we basically had the same issue.  As for my statement.  "WHY BET ON YOUR DOGS LIFE, WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS?"  I stick by that statement!  There is NO REASON to take a chance on powdered bulk compounded Itra because there are other option.  Yes, I BELIEVE bulk, powdered Itra is bad.  As does Logans mom.  Since both of us have used both, it would be unethical for either of us to promote something that didn't work.  In my opinion, Wilson GOT LUCKY. 

I have to say that if ANYONE has been stirring the pot here it has to be you.  You stirred it between Wilson and me.  And know between Logans mom and Wilson. 

EVERYONE on this site speaks from their own personal experience.  The information from Wilson was a great help and the information I got from Logans mom was even more helpful TO ME because WE travelled a more similar road both having used bulk, powder with NO SUCCESS. 

This site is for sharing information and support.  Not starting problems because others cannot ethically agree with what your promoting. 

I can specifically recal you stating that you were using 50.00 bulk, powder from a compounder.  There was no confusion.   Wilson said you contacted her and were going to put the dog down because you thought I was saying it was bad.  THAT IS EXACTLY what I am saying.  ITS OFTEN BAD but you have no need to put the dog down BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER AFFORDABLE OPTIONS...such as Fluconazole.  What you use is your choice BUT YOU HAVE A CHOICE.  Maybe in 3 months time your dog will be improving, then again you might come to realize you have wasted 3 month using the bulk, powder (just like Lola and Logan).  I don't care what you choose to do, but don't want you to confuse the fact that their is another choice available for other readers.

[Lolasmom]

HURRAY for Logan. I'm on Facebook LISA YOUNG ALABAMA and my email is LISALMY@aol.com.  Please, please keep in touch.

[willowtree]

Hi,I Am New On Here.
I Hate To Say Anything But Why Are You Still Carrying One?
I Am Also Wondering How Would Anyone Give A Dose  More Then 100mg If You Do Not Compuund The Drug?
 People HAVE to Compound  Itra To Make The Right Dose. Just Because They Compound Does Not Mean They Are Using The Powder. It Does Sound Like Compounding Is A Bad Thing When You Read Some Posts. I totally Understand You Not Liking The Powder But You Also Changed Meds How Many Times? Also It Takes A Good 3 To 4 Months To Really Even Start To See The Numbers Drop If One Has A Bad Enough Case.
Sknksmll Also Posted She Was Using Brand Name But Changing To The Powder. Re Read All The Posts.

I also Used The Powder Itra And It Worked Very Well! I am Also A Vet. I Agree That More People Are Using The Powder And Really Have No Idea. If Any Drug Was That Bad It Would Be Removed From The Market. No Drug Is Ever 100% Or Test For That Matter.That Is Why It Is Wonderful To Have Choices..Also Wonderful For Feed Back And Studies On All Drugs Being Used.
This ToTally Goes Against What I Believe Posting On Boards Like This.

 Please Settle Down. Remember  To Respect Oppions. No Need To Get Upset And I can Understand Why You Are,Really. Having A Sick Pet Is Very Hard And A Touchy Subject.
But Please Do Not Say Compounding Drugs Is Bad,Though. It Saves 1000's Of Animal Lives! People's Lives Also Are Saved Because Of Compounding Drugs.
If It Is The powder Itra You Do Not Like Please Say Powder Itra.

Wilson3 No Longer Is Here And It Appears Sknksmll Left Also.

So For Anyone New To Blasto Compounding Is A GOOD Thing
Some People Feel They Have Not Had Good Results Using The Powder Itra ,Bulk Powder
When Compounding It Can Be Down With Generic,Powder Or Brand Name.

[Lisa]

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